Session 41 - 15th October 2013 - notes

Time: 7pm to 9pm

Venue: Friends House, 173-177 Euston Road NW1 2BJ - on the ground floor in the corridor outside the cafe

Agenda

1. Round up of week's news/events (30 mins)

2. What future? Discussion of how now to best effect change (30 mins)

3. Systems thinking and Land - continuation (60 mins)

Session 41 on Tuesday 15th October 2013 - notes

1. Future of Occupy. Loomio possibly. Max Kaiser – investigation – criminal investigator – banks organised crime – SEC lost the report. Change the law language. Ellen Brown – Looming disaster – derivatives. Lehmans. Favoured status for repos and derivatives – 2005. Amendment to the bankruptcy reform act. 

2. Conditionality of citizens income. Duties to society? Obligation to society? Are you part of it. System wise it is less efficient because would need to be targeted. Will provide the money to stimulate activity? Means testing or monitoring is demeaning and expensive. Fishing – (sea) graph fishing effort. Fishing has become more efficient. Optimum effort at fishing before you deplete stocks. Every year to 1988 fishing became more efficient. Destroying the ocean flaw. Price of fish going up through scarcity. Helicopters and planes to spot fish. Blue fin tuna $100,000. Fishing research stations cordoned off. Fertiliser and animal feed. Fish tea in Jamaica. Hunting fish with spear guns. Dynamiting in Africa, South America and Asia. Pay all the fishermen to stay at home. £54m Irish fishing boat. US Dollar reserve status now becoming a topic of conversation. Fragile recovery. QE 85bn per month. Africa – young population. Aware of the world through the internet. High expectations, unlikely to be met. Explaining climate change – enforce what needs to be done. The Perverts to Guide to Ideology. Imposed ideology. Carefully, crafted response. Several things need to be attacked simultaneously. Basic income to liberate us. Interest on money abolished to remove power of banks. Tax on land. Concentrate on the ideology. Focus on deception. Helping everyone to identify ideology bullshit. People refuse to reject their ideology. Help them divest inbuilt prejudice/ideology. Together we are fighting the same war. The infantryman won't act the same as the Calvary or naval ratings. Matrix – analogy. Zicek. People are inherently lazy and left to their own devices will be indolent. IDS ideological policy to round up the poor or the indigent. Heading back to the Victorian era. I don't like the idea of citizens income – I don't understand it. Ideology brainwashing. Refusing to look at reality. Set up people to fail – get rid of the underclass, diminish and devalue their jobs, provided benefits. Pull the rug of the welfare state from under them. Like Hitler demonising minorities. Means to lower wages, immigration causing friction and confrontation. It's your fault you are where you are. Extra people – policies to make them disappear.  Gulf between those eating posh food and the rest. Immigration didn't happen at the height of the British empire but why now? Immigrants have less motivation and means to demand change. Swiss citizens income. EU regulation? Brits too lazy to do menial work? Demand for cheap labour – ideology. I can afford to pay? Cost of living.  Saving on minimum wage. Continuation of structures and experiences. Ruling elites learning from the Romans. Inviting outsiders in  to fight along them. Sending sons off to Rome to be induced into the society and became a Roman. Normans very organised in to the feudal power structure incorporating religion. Continued up to Thatcher. Masai drinking cows blood – ruling classes had people domesticated. Richard Branson retired to Necker Island – symbolic of ruling class who don't have to live here. Multi-level marketing machine. Living on a printing press creating debt all day long. The Masai wouldn't kill their cow. 

Session 40 – 8th October 2013 - notes

Time: 7pm to 9pm

Venue: Friends House, 173-177 Euston Road NW1 2BJ - on the ground floor in the corridor outside the cafe

Agenda

1. Round up of week's news/events (30 mins)

2. What future? Discussion of how now to best effect change (30 mins)

3. Systems thinking and Land - continuation of last week's exercise (60 mins)

Session 40 on 8th October 2013 – notes

1. Perverts guide to Ideology – film – highly recommended. Funny and entertaining but educational. Tribes on iPlayer – effects on others. Cool movie. Spain plastic agriculture. Basic income in Switzerland – participatory democracy – demo >100,000 signatures. Loomio – from occupy - system for submitting and voting on proposals. British Science on iPlayer (Brian Cox). Science commercially driven v scientist with the freedom to explore. Blue Sky Research. British Parliament Peoples Budget around land – Lords lost their power. Normans changed the political systems. Utopia – John Pilger preview – Australia treatment of Aborigines – confiscation of land on the basis of allegations of child abuse (paedophilia) – still happening. Link to land. Dry communities v alcohol centric societies – intervention. Awful human condition. Keeping people in poverty. Distress the poor engineered to lose their spirit. Eyes wide open – LSE.

2. What future? Think Tank for Occupy. Have to put all our effort into the three fundamental issues – land, money and labour. Treaty in which everyone agrees to go in a similar direction – pact. Climate change is a divisive issue. It is not true that you cannot get to agreement. Environment is a much more general problem. As a group – all of us want fairness and justice. Need more people on board. We aren't threatened at present – people behave differently in war and chaos. Needs a system in place for all these people to work together. Occupy statement needs to be flexible. Environmental degradation should be the real focus. Why occupy exists? No power. Do the necessary work to get to the truth. Always disagreements – mischief making. Don't focus on the negatives. Work on things which unite us and move forward. Moral stance on the same ground on important things. We all contributed to occupy and are entitled to have a voice. Awaking to reality is painful process. Trawler net first mentioned 700 years ago – objection to the nets because they were destroying the commons. Limitations – out to sea. Another commission 150 years ago which they ignored. Analogy with the subprime crisis. Corruption and whistle-blowers. Canadian – fighting the banking system. Card game.

 

3. Looking for the underlying causes by Systems Thinking. Methodology. Problem is always within a larger context. Understand the problem itself. Transposing the example to a sub-Saharan environment. Resources solar and knowledge. Community boot strapping itself. Issue is not the water or materials – it is who owns/rules. Importance of external environment. Simple model is preferable. Occupy as a systems thinking model? Simplified example to get to arid land. Simpler to identify key elements. Land dependent on underlying and overlying relationships. Ownership/rules. Ownership dictates the rules. Why did socialism fail? The experiment didn't survive. We never had a socialist/communist state. Soviet – cold war – became a dictatorship. Peoples Assembly locally works on a flat structure (Walthamstow) – East London led by a cabal. Rules are an emerging property. Interface problems, patent infringements. Identify the elements and describe the relationships. Divide into groups.

Session 39 – 1st October 2013

Time: 7pm to 9pm

Venue: Friends House, 173-177 Euston Road NW1 2BJ - on the ground floor in the corridor outside the cafe

Agenda

1. Round up of week's news/events (30 mins)

2. Systems thinking and Land - continuation of last week's exercise (80 mins)

3. Planning for next week (10 mins)

Session 38 – 24th September 2013 - notes

Time: 7pm to 9pm

Venue: Friends House, 173-177 Euston Road NW1 2BJ - on the ground floor in the corridor outside the cafe

Agenda

1. Round up of week's news/events (20 mins)

2. International trade – revisit and review of last week's session (20 mins)

3. Systems thinking and Land - parameters and planning (80 mins)

Session 38 – 24th September 2013 – notes

1. Week's news – One people's public trust – legal document to (Uniform Commercial Code) dispossess corporations in US. Janos sending link. Climate change alarmism article in Guardian claimed to be worse in spite of evidence to the contrary. Film White House Down – amount of money to finance propaganda for the 1%. Guardian – research for a book revealed land grab by the Normans.

2. Arvind will research consultations in Brussels for us to attend. Trade rules – relevance in a new economic paradigm?

3. Systems Thinking workshop at UCL – Arvind: working through the concepts – much to cover – wrestling with Soft Systems Thinking – six classifications – how to apply it? +ve. Mike: not as engaged as hoped (feeling under the weather)– hardgoing – difficult to see clearly how it could be applied – lack of a clear example. Helps to mould thinking and communication rather than system to take inputs and produce answer. Helped to clarify thinking on all the factors but need to understand how to prioritise. Difficulties in communication. Alex: this is what it is about – it doesn't necessarily give the answer but help to guide you to the answer. Soft systems involve people and thus difficult to predict behaviour. We should use the systems like the 7 Samurai. Have to invest time – needs patience. Janos: very interesting but hard; tried model on basic income but didn't get far - it takes time. Need a proper course to learn more. Pegs to hang issues on. Single problem within a certain part of the sytem. Identify where the elements are and what's directly relevant. There is no magic but needs work. Not a competition. Help form our ideas. How a land tax will benefit people. 

Online courses OU and BL and universities – free  – course on economics. Financial Times as the basis of the course. Coursera was at Bilderberg this year – be wary of control/indoctrination through online courses – the Edinburgh University critical thinking course was good in terms of laying down criteria for separating opinions, assertions and facts but then proceeded on the basis of carefully selected biased information in the coursework – abandoned after 3 sessions 

4. Land issue. Analogue computing – feedbacks and adjustments. Create a picture from which people draw conclusions.  Worked through workshop slides and began to apply them to the land question on the basis of a small scale limited example. A lot of discussion to agree criteria for the elements – made good progress. Arvind volunteered to write up where we've got to. Next week – continue to work through the example with a view to scaling it up once we have attained confidence and understanding. Meanwhile, individuals working on studying the theory.